Voter ID Amendment
I was thinking about all the reasons we currently need an id, driving a car, opening a bank account (sometimes using existing account), credit card use, alcohol-tobacco-cold medicine purchases, social security, medicare, medicaid, disability distribution, check verification, pre-employment verifications, title transfers, vehicle tab renewals, marriage license, police requests (non driving), hunting/fishing license, doctor visits, pharmacy prescriptions/refills, and many other places are now verifying individuals identities via photo ids like hospitals during late visitation times.
I am thinking that regardless of the voter id amendment, society would function easier if anybody had some sort of id be it drivers license or government issued.
Ok, lets get to why the Voter ID Amendment is a bad idea. It is not because the elderly will have a harder time to vote, they have multiple id's to offer. The poor will be left out of the process? No, if you receive government benefits, you have shown id. Is the cost of ID greater then the savings society receives?
lets hear your opinions!
lets have opinions on the Voter ID Amendment
Josh D. Ondich
9:17 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
I support Voter ID, but I would not do away with Same-Day Registration. I would even support a free government id issued to registered voters.
Heyitsme
5:29 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Same day registration allows fraud...as I stated I could have voted in two polling places...the one that I was previously assigned to and in my new one with same day registration.
Heyitsme
10:37 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Josh....I moved...at the time that I got a new license to reflect the new address I re-registered my voter registration. When I went to vote -- in the last MN governors race between Dayton and Emmer....I found that I was not on the role at my new polling place (my husband was and he re-registered the same day). I was told to go back to my former polling place or register again that day at the new polling place. My point is I could have voted in two places in one day because of same day registration. Same day registration should be done away with. No one asked for my driver's license they just assumed I was who I said I was and my husband vouched for me. That can lead to voter fraud. I am an honest person and didn't go back to my old polling place and voted...but others aren't that honest. I come from PA..back in my state you have to register to vote by the primary. If you don't then you don't vote in the general election. Oh and they give you a card called an voter ID card. You show that card and your picture ID and get to vote. If it is important to an individual to vote then you do the steps necessary by your state to vote. IF that means getting a state ID, registering by a certain date or showing proof then you do so. My husband was military and he voted in absence his state ID was expired but if your active duty the license was extended because he had an active duty military ID.
Josh D. Ondich
4:25 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Heyitsme,
Pennsylvania approach to voter id is a nightmare. I saw a story on Hardball with Chris Matthews where in the city of Philadelphia where 400,000 registered voters do not meet the Voter ID requirements and only 300 people took off of work on a weekday to wait in line to fill out several forms and show several forms of identification like birth certificates etc. in order to obtain a government photo ID card to vote. Pennsylvania law would turn away 400,000 voters who would tend to vote to re-elect our President. 400,000 less votes would sway the election which PA has 20 votes in the electoral college which could throw the entire presidential election in a close contest. If that situation came true it would make the 2000 election look like a computer glitch. We need to keep same-day registration and get rid of the electoral college.
Heyitsme
5:35 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
And Chris Matthews is the epitome of a good journalist. No it wouldn't it would turn away all those dead votes that occur ESPECIALLY in Philadelphia. Do you know that more votes are cast in Philadelphia than there are people? The state votes normally Republican but because of the big cities of Philly and Pittsburgh the rest of the state's votes get negated. Pennsylvania already has a form of registered voting...you must register by the primary to vote in the general. I still don't understand why a person cannot think ahead and register to vote BEFORE the day of the election. Seems to me they really didn't want to vote in the first place...and that they really didn't put any thought behind their decisions in the voting booth. Democrats DON'T want to do away with same day voting and they don't want voter ID and these reasons should make others think WHY don't they want ID and same day voting...that reason is fraud...dressed up under the guise of disenfranchising supposed voters.
Jerry Schmidt
12:33 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
to put it bluntly, no ID, no Vote. How could anyone with a brain argue with this? I suppose. someone who favors voter fraud.
Dan Brunes
5:12 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Unbelievable..... How many solutions do we need to a problem that does not exist. Lets get down to it and call it what it really is which is voter intimidation.
matt lehman
8:39 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Can you explain the intimidation part for me and the readers? I am not sure if your position is that, showing an ID is intimidating or? As for a problem that dont exist, I would refer you to http://www.examiner.com/article/minnesota-s-election-system-no-longer-the-gold-standard-part-i
and many more cases across the nation. If we do not have absolute confidence and faith in the voting process, how will we ever have faith and trust in government?
Heyitsme
5:36 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Voter fraud does exist. Look at the major cities of Chicago, Philadelphia and NYC...more people voting than live there.
Dan Brunes
8:56 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Well Mr Lehman I am sure you understand that voter fraud is a felony, now I personally believe that there are very few people who would risk jail time and their right to vote in the future simply to make a political statement. For voter fraud to affect the outcome it would have to be widespread. This amendment is nothing more than an attempt to keep a specific population from the polls. You want to change the rules in order to win an election and nothing more.
matt lehman
9:29 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Which specific population would this amendment keep from the polls? I see the amendment as only ensuring current law is maintained and enforcable not changed.
Heyitsme
5:39 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
It is a felony, but finding the person that was vouched for and using their real names and addresses will prove hard to actually prosecute those that do. Risking jail time is not a threat if they have already forged ID and are pretending to be a unregistered voter. The polling place doesn't have the resources to catch fraudulent voters. SO don't require something that should be done on the off chance people are supposedly not doing it with the threat of jail time.
Heyitsme
5:40 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
And you all want to win an election by not changing the rules because they have been broken before and you have won elections by doing so.
matt lehman
10:04 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I also understand murder is a crime that happens everyday forlesser reasons then a political agenda, so I miss your point? 1 fraud vote cancels 1 legitimate vote, thats the true math. As for the rules Read the 14th amendment of the constitution, citizens of the United States have the rights to vote. Nobody is changing the rules its the same 14th amendment, I would argue an illegal fraudulent vote is going against the rules to win an election. Great discussion, multiple viewpoints..
matt lehman
9:37 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Dan Brunes, You didnt answer the question, Can you explain the intimidation part for me and the readers? I am not sure if your position is that, showing an ID is intimidating or? I would also remind the readers of the Acorn mess which was fraud, this type of action makes your vote mean nothing, contrary to what Dan Brunes stated, I prefer those taking the time to vote, have their vote count and not be canceled by a fraudulent vote. Open, honest, anf fair election process.
Dan Brunes
10:05 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
It is my opinion that any attempt to make someone unsure of their right to vote is a form of intimidation. Why is this a necessary change? Please show me the evidence of fraud. Have we not had open honest and fair elections? The "makes your vote mean nothing" is nothing more than an inflammatory statement with no basis in truth.
I find it truly hypocritical how the supporters of both amendments are the same people who claim to be libertarians, they are not.
Heyitsme
5:42 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Unsure about their right to vote?? Seriously you said that? You have ID, and that will ensure that you can vote....simple, no questions asked, nothing to question. It's those that don't have the legal ID and don't have the right to vote that question if they can or cannot vote.
Dan Brunes
6:50 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Yes I said that, and I put my name behind that statement. Who are you? Why not put a name behind your views.
Dan Brunes
6:52 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Why not play under the rules we have? Are you afraid you might lose?
Dan Brunes
6:58 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
According to you I might have faked that ID , your funny!
matt lehman
11:06 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
If you faked the ID, you didnt follow the current rules (like acorn), thus the need to make sure the rules are followed.
matt lehman
10:10 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I was wondering how much it cost to put together all the stuff for kid voting and why the left is not opposed to that cost yet are so opposed to the minimal cost to verify actual voters via ID.